Muslim Company Forcing Christian Employees to Wear Headscarfs

Jul 22, 2014

muslimchristianhijabA Muslim-owned arts-and-crafts store in Dearborn, Michigan is forcing its female Christian employees to wear traditional Islamic headscarves while on the job.

According to local reports, Khilāf Krafts began requiring its eight female employees to wear hijabs last week, following the U.S. Supreme Court’s 5-4 decision in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby, which gave religious rights to family-owned businesses.

Although five women working for the company are Muslims, the remaining three are practicing Christians. The company has threatened to fire any Christian woman who does not comply.

“My boss came in last Tuesday with a Koran in his hand and told us we were dressed like harlots,” says Karen Anderson, 28, a five year veteran of the company. “He gave us each a hijab and said if we didn’t wear it we’d be unemployed.

“I’m a strong believer in Jesus Christ. But my husband passed a few years ago and I need this job to support my kids. I don’t really have a choice. I have to wear it.”

The Supreme Court’s majority opinion in the Hobby Lobby case allowed the Christian-owned retail chain to opt out of a federal law requiring employers to give female employees contraceptive coverage.

Although praised by conservative Christians, liberals fret that the decision will allow companies with devout owners of any faith to opt out of American laws they simply don’t like.

In her dissent Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg expressed similar fears: “Approving some religious claims while deeming others unworthy of accommodation could be 'perceived as favoring one religion over another,' … The court, I fear, has ventured into a minefield.” she wrote.

Khilāf Krafts’ new policy has attracted outrage from women’s rights groups and Christian churches around the country. However, owner Khaleed El-Helani says he’s just a business owner practicing his faith.

“If Hobby Lobby can impose its religious beliefs on its employees, why can’t we?” he demands. “Are Christian business owners somehow more important than Muslim business owners?

“I read through the entire Supreme Court decision. I don’t really see what the problem is here. I’m a small, closely held business. I have devout religious beliefs. Why should I be forced to employ people if it violates my religion?”

El-Helani also says he plans on cutting off his employees' hands if he catches them stealing, in accordance with Islamic law.

"This is what religious freedom looks like," he explains. "Thanks John Roberts!"

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  • brianl74

    I’m disappointed that there aren’t more outraged “high and mighty” christian responses here. After all, they’ll believe just about anything (except science or facts)…

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  • Marie

    Except Hobby Lobby isn’t forcing its employees to read the Bible or be baptized or take Communion (which would be parallels to the Muslim examples in this spoof article). They are objecting to paying for *certain* forms of contraception (they still pay for bc, just not abortifactants, which is against their religious beliefs), which would be more comparable to a Muslim company not offering bacon or ham in the employee cafeteria.

  • Pim Voormeulen

    Maybe the “freedom of christianity” people now see what the secular community is comming from!

  • Kyler

    Thank you! This is what I was thinking. Honestly, I’m a Christian and I have no problem with other religions having religious freedom too. But this is not a parallel situation (even though it’s a parody).

  • Nemle

    Pretty sure there’s a difference between ham and medical coverage. lol I do agree that it’s not the best comparison, however…it would still be plausible due to the precedent now created.

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  • Sane_American

    So why should what goes on between a female employee and her doctor affects Hobby Lobby’s right to practice religion? It doesn’t. Those bc they banned ARE NOT abortifactants. Not by the medical, science, nor legal fields.

  • Sabrina Hawkins

    except that what you call abortifacients really aren’t, and it doesnt really matter. Religious beliefs are religious beliefs, whether we are talking about abortion or head gear.

  • John Smith

    I tip my fedora to you my fellow atheist

  • ThinkThinkThink

    Different in that a woman can’t get pregnant by not eating bacon or ham.

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  • MerryMarjie

    NOW you tell me!!

  • http://principlecondition.blogspot.com/ Steven

    “I’m fairly disappointed that I didn’t find any sufficient evidence in these comments to justify my bias.”

  • http://principlecondition.blogspot.com/ Steven

    Well, not really. I mean, the SCOTUS ruling *does* explicitly state that it only applies to contraceptives under the ACA, and explicitly states that it should not be interpreted as providing the right to veil illegal discrimination behind religious practices.

  • http://principlecondition.blogspot.com/ Steven

    The SCOTUS ruling actually specifically mentions this, and says that blood transfusions aren’t exempted.

  • stonemike

    There should BE NO MUSLIMS in America, they are not compatible and will incite war !

  • Guest

    I guess if he cuts someone’s hands off for stealing, then someone could cut off his head if his actions violate their religion?
    It is stories like this make me think religion is the crutch of weak people like that store owner.

  • http://twitter.com/Adenovir A. Deno Vir, MD PhD

    If you think that’s bad, the kosher deli down the block makes all male employees get circumcised.

  • Hanyewi Sunkmanitu Tanka

    The Constitution is clear on this matter… NO RELIGIOUS TESTS.

  • stonemike

    That and many other passages in our Constitution pertain to groups who are “blindly expected” to honor others and their beliefs, just as the Constitution protects theirs , but in this era we are engaged in “all out war” with two ideologies that respect NO LAW or NO ELECTION THAT GOES AGAINST THEM ! It is naive and unrealistic to believe you can combat these RADICAL GROUPS LAWFULLY, when they use our own laws to destroy us ! Why dont you try swatting one of these “jihadists” with a copy of the US Constitution as they behead and rape your daughter ! These groups have turned the “tolerance factor of the USC into a SUICIDE FACTOR, we didnt read the samurais “their rights, we mass murdered them “as the only way! THISIS THE SAME !

  • Betty J Rousey

    People of any religion belong in America and are “compatible” with our country! I refuse to be ashamed of the U.S. any longer. You do not speak for the majority of Americans!!

  • stonemike

    Naivete will allow islamists to kill your kids, sucker !

  • Summer

    You do realize that this is a spoof, a satire right?

  • stonemike

    Of course, but DO YOU REALIZE JIHAD IS NOT! Any muslim who believes in the koran is a very potential killer of innocents!

  • Jay Strickland

    Part of the uniform I don’t see the problem. Also you might want to read the Hobby Lobby decision before attempting to create Fauxrage over it.

  • risskia

    No..it’s not parallel at all. A hijab is just a scarf. Birth control pills are the right to control one’s fertility.

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  • Rippy

    LOL…spoof…had people going for a bit. LOL…

  • Larry Thedishguy Blake

    Satire though this may be, part of me really wishes this actually happened so we could see the “Christians” on HL’s side see how stupid their arguments are…or even just for the entertainment of watching them go apeshit.

  • Sean

    DO YOU REALIZE any hristian who believes int he Bible as written is a potential killer of innocents as well. Have you read the book?

  • Sean

    Stupidity HAS allowed christians to kill kids for centuries.

  • stonemike

    In the first place, Im agnostic, but you’ll have trouble showing me where it says to kill everyone on Earth who does not convert to christianity! And Im also not at ease with the efforts the United States made to create Israel , but then, I consider religion to be the #1 cause of “human conflict”, followed closely by “deranged political ideology” such as MARXISM !

  • SFnomad

    The 1st Amendment says Free Exercise of Religion … not Free Exercise of Christian Religions.

  • stonemike

    Sorry, but your opinion is doomed, the Constitution , the basis for our laws was actually installed by “brute force”, and then a compliant American people respected it and built the greatest nation on Earth! Only religions and political ideologies that “live by and respect these laws can afforded the protections of it! Neither islam or marxism does that, therefore they should both be excluded from our society, we are confusing “tolerance with suicide “!

  • SFnomad

    It’s sad to see you’d rather wipe with the Constitution, rather than respect it.

  • stonemike

    The Constitution is for Americans who respect and live by it, are you unable to realize what these “muslims and marxists” are doing by shear intimidation to us! We didnt sue Adolf Hitler, we destroyed him and his nazis ! This is the same !

  • stonemike

    The Constitution was not instituted by naivete and good will thru the courts, it was FOUGHT FOR and the only way it will be saved will be thru fighting, marxists do NOT LEAVE PEACEABLY !

  • SFnomad

    It’s pathetic people like you that are destroying this country. The Constitution protects and applies to EVERYONE who is here in the United States, Christian and Muslim alike … not just people you think deserve it. Hitler never had Constitutional protections … so I have no idea why you’re bringing him up, but it’s typical of your ilk, when you’re losing an argument, go off on some other tangent and fight that battle. And I’m sure you’ll continue to wipe with the Constitution.

  • Barefootboyz

    I guess you forgot about the crusades

  • stonemike

    F–k you , I doubt you are even a citizen, because if you are , you are helping give away other Americans freedom ! And these criminal aliens should not have rights either , if you are a citizen, youre killing your own country , Dont post back, you and I are enemies , hopefully to meet in the future when real, legal Americans are pushed into revolt ! Common sense has to accompany freedom, you cant bring the whole world here and it still BE AMERICA ! My folks been here since 1640, how long have you been here ?

  • Glenda LaHaye

    The fact that this story is fake aside the decision of the SCOTUS would both matter and NOT support something like was laid out in this write up. Because of exactly what Marie stated. The employers are not forcing their beliefs on their employees. The are following their own faith and not providing FOUR out of twenty FDA approved contraceptives. They go even further by following their faith in how their employees are paid ($15 for full time and $10 for part time) and what hours their store keeps. It’s religious freedom that is protected by the Bill of Rights not contraception.

  • SFnomad

    Were you dropped on your head as a child? Frequently? That would explain a lot. First you start off with Muslims shouldn’t be allowed here … then you’re off on Hitler and now “criminal aliens” … maybe when you grown up, you’ll realize what a fool you look like. Oh, btw, it wouldn’t mater if I was a citizen or not (and I am), the Constitution would still protect and apply to me, as long as I am here. People like you are an embarrassment, the true definition of the “Ugly American”.

  • stonemike

    straight from the mouth of a naive idealist, the same kind that trusted the German and Russian govts to do them right ! If you live long enough , you;ll see this nation saved by folks like me, while suckers like you whine to your oppressors about your rights ! I do apologize for the profanity, usually its the ‘left” that starts that !

  • SFnomad

    If this country is “saved” by some pathetic POS like you, this country will no longer be what has made this country great. We’ll be no better than the places you think are so horrible.

  • stonemike

    No, we just didnt eradicate the murderers ! But its never too late !

  • stonemike

    No one can effectively function if they lack the ability to differentiate between “theoretic idealism” and “physical action” that becomes mandatory periodically, THESE ARE THOSE TIMES !

  • stonemike

    I can only assume the SF on your post stands for san francisco, dont you realize you automatically lose all credibility by affiliating your ideas with COMMIEFORNIA, and ‘frisco” the derangement capitol of the world is even worse !

  • stonemike

    Im agnostic, I mistrust every single ‘movement” , be it political or religious that seeks to force their beliefs on a FREE MAN !

  • stonemike

    I’ll have to read more of the bible, but I’ve read the koran several times, I assume you must have too, or surely you would not be defending Islam and its “attempts at genocide” !

  • gary

    Put all the muslims on a boat back to their own country, or put them in concentration camps to be gassed and ban the religeon. No more Islamic problems in the US. That simple!

  • Guest

    So what is the big deal, current employees should sue or just quit and go elseware. Don’t apply for a job there if you’re looking for a job and you don’t want to wear a scarf. It’s called freedom, Nobody can force you to work there.

  • SFnomad

    And he continue to prove how much of an idiot he is ….

  • janmit63

    I would not be working for them in the first place & that woman who said she had no choice you need to find another job & you will if you just pray to God & trust him. In fact all those Christian women need to find new jobs.

  • stonemike

    You must love it, you continue to give me irrefutable evidence of “progressive derangement” !

  • Sean

    I have never defended Islam any more than I woudl defend a Xtian. They are all brain damaged idiots. What’s your point? If Xtians have the “right” to decide which laws to follow, then why shouldtn Muslims have that same right? You might want to check the bible before you spew your stupidity as well

    Deuteronomy 13:6-10,

    If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you awayfrom the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

    So how is that ANY different than a JIHAD?

  • stonemike

    Screw you, if you read my posts before you mouth off, you’d know I am not religious and consider all religion as a trouble source for humanity, but if you equate islam with Christianity , then you are way “out of round ” !

  • stonemike

    You are off the beam, if you ask around you, most Americans want these “America Hating foreigners “kept out of here ! Look at the POS third world to see the kind of America naive folks like you will create !

  • Nick

    Likewise,hats off to Brian.

  • Natattackz

    YOU ARE ON A FAKE ARTICLE ON A FAKE NEWS SITE WHINING ABOUT A FAKE PROBLEM. I bet you take The Onion seriously too.

  • Daniel A. Jaimen Navarrete

    I know it is a joke. What’s not a joke is that they managed to get all men circumcised in America.

  • AQ

    Poe’s Law strikes again.

  • AQ

    You do realise the article is satire, right? You’re not really that stupid?

  • Hoople

    If you got your news from places other than media matters, and other biased left leaning sites, you would see that most Americans do feel this way

  • http://www.mikechurch.com/ pete838

    Circumcision is such a bizarre religious tradition. It is unconscionable that it has been sold as a public health issue.

  • Shawn Schaitel

    Actually there is now evidence that actually proves Circumcision and FGM predate the 3 abrahamic faiths by over 6000 years

  • elizabeth cohen

    Post your proof please. Since God gave this to Abraham as a covenant. So, your proof please

  • elizabeth cohen

    I could care less whether gentile men get circumcised or not; this is between God and His people; it is called the Abrahamic Covenant. It’s too bad that I see so much ignorance here.

  • elizabeth cohen

    I would never accept it, I would say, Jesus loves you and walk out. I will never, under any circumstances deny my God; especially not for a muslim

  • http://www.mikechurch.com/ pete838

    Regardless of what you call it or how it came about, cutting off a part of your child’s genitals (and traditionally, by using the Rabbi’s or mohel’s teeth) to show devotion to YHVH is effing bizarre.
    But the Old Testament (and the Quran, for that matter) is full of bizarre.

  • Rita M Nicholson

    They are forcing them to sit through their prayers which, I find truly offensive to my “closely held” body and mind.

  • Rita M Nicholson

    Whew! Lucky for us that we have SCOTUS to tell use what can be allowed and what can’t be allowed in the medical field.

  • Martha L

    What are your sources for that?

  • Martha L

    Some Christians can’t even respect the First Amendment rights of people that disagree with them. Thus, using your logic, Christianity doesn’t deserve protection under the Constitution. It’s unfair to judge an entire group of people by the actions of just part of the group. Not all Muslims are terrorists just like not all Christians are people like Timothy McVeigh or like the people at Westboro Baptist Church.

  • http://principlecondition.blogspot.com/ Steven

    I didn’t think I’d actually have to spell out that SCOTUS didn’t outlaw any treatments. But you’re right. We should just remove the judicial system from medicine, entirely.

    Who cares about ethics? If a doctor decides that a patient should have their head amputated because, “hey, why not?” who is the law to tell them not to? Why worry about medical malpractice or legal constraints? They’re judges, not doctors! I mean, it’s not like they’re politicians, who absolutely SHOULD have their hands rummaging around in people’s medical care.

    Certainly, it’d be better than having silly things like “rule of law” involved, right? Especially since the SCOTUS is the last court in the US to rule on those laws.

  • http://www.spellwight.com spellwight

    A. The company that pays for all or part of YOUR health insurance as part of YOUR compensation for working there. Not out of the goodness of their hearts. You have the agreement of health care as part of your pay when you agree to work for them. You earn that, it’s not a gift.

    B. The certain forms of birth control they object do not, in fact, cause abortions. Check your science facts.

    C. This is the United States and here we have this thing called freedom of religion. One person’s religious right is not supposed to trump another’s. The ruling was wrong.

  • Jennifer Weston

    Women are all actually required to wear such head coverings in public, in many Moslem countries. This is just barely satire.

  • Betty J Rousey

    I realize that a minority with loud mouths feel this way, I get my news from NPR and The Guardian, I’m puzzled as to why YOU think this is a left-leaning site and yet are on it. I am tired of the world thinking all Americans “feel this way.” And I am tired of being ashamed of you all –

  • Barbara Stefano

    Alas, someone who actually understands that not funding something is not the same as actively forcing religion on someone. Sadly, you’re in a distinct minority here.

  • Barbara Stefano

    You do realize that women are still totally allowed to get any kind of birth control they want, right? You do realize that the simple act of not covering it is not the same as banning it, right?

  • Barbara Stefano

    Terrible analogy here. A more fitting analogy would be “Muslim company refuses to sell pork in its cafeteria.” Let’s all stop acting like some religion has been forced upon us because Hobby Lobby was not forced to compromise its religious beliefs in favor of your secular ones.

  • Hoople

    It is well known that these are left leaning sites except to those who read only left leaning sites.

  • Acha Desh

    common my muslim sisters and brothers lets together make America a muslim nation by outbreeding theses infidels

  • PJParks

    And our military makes female soldiers comply when in foreign countries.

  • StreetJustice

    FGC is an ancient cultural practice that predates the Abrahamic religions [1]. While the practice holds strong ties to ethnic and cultural identity, there is no association between FGM and religion as the practice exists amongst Muslims, Christians, and Jews (Abdulcadir et al. 2011).

    http://arizona.openrepository.com/arizona/bitstream/10150/320093/1/azu_etd_mr_2014_0066_sip1_m.pdf

    The origins of FGC are a mystery. It is thought to have existed in ancient Egypt, Ethiopia, and Greece.6 The practice transcends religion, geography, and socioeconomic status.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2582648/

    The practice of male genital mutilation is far older than recorded history. Certainly, it is far older than the Biblical account of Abraham (Genesis 17). It seems to have originated in eastern Africa long before this time. James deMeo, The Geography of Genital Mutilations. The Truth Seeker, pp 9-13, July/August 1989. (Link to http://www.noharmm.org);
    DeMeo, James. The Geography of Genital Mutilations. (Presented at the Fourth Symposium on Sexual Mutilations, University of Lausanne, Lausanne, Switzerland. August 9-11, 1996.) Published in: Sexual Mutilations, A Human Tragedy, Plenum Press, New York, 1997 (ISBN 0-306-45589-7). (link to http://www.nocirc.org)

  • Martha L

    Thanks

  • Payton Blake

    Your analogy is no better, since you are not working for your food in the cafeteria. The food in the cafeteria is not part of your pay, whereas your medical benefits are.

  • Payton Blake

    We’re talking about our country though, and what the reaction of the general public would be if this were true.

  • Sheryl Hunter

    Oh if only…….

  • Barbara Stefano

    Interesting point, but then Hobby Lobby isn’t withholding insurance from their employees (they’re just not paying for a few specific kinds, though employees can still get them), so your counterpoint is bogus. The fact is that non-funding is not equivalent to disallowing. To argue otherwise is dishonest.

  • Sheryl Hunter

    and your proof Elizabeth? Or is it not enough to say it for him, but it is for you?

  • Jennifer Weston

    We may yet see the reaction for real. If this actually happens in America sometime in the near future, I won’t be surprised.

    Ruth Ginsburg is probably right; the Hobby Lobby decision “ventured into a minefield.”

  • StopHyperbole

    Hobby Lobby cannot have a religious belief, only its corporate owners and managers can.

  • StopHyperbole

    They get to ignore part of a law because of their mistaken religious beliefs, thereby depriving their female employees a benefit that would otherwise be covered by law.

  • Rita M Nicholson

    Now you are being silly.

  • Old Man Raynor

    Post your proof that any accounts of your god’s alleged actions are accurate, since we have absolutely demonstrated the fact that there are cosmic bodies that predate your source’s supposed “creation of the universe.” As an anecdotal example, take the Andromeda galaxy, which astronomers place between 2.3 and 2.5 million light-years away. Here’s a guide to finding it in the night sky with your own eyes: http://earthsky.org/clusters-nebulae-galaxies/andromeda-galaxy-closest-spiral-to-milky-way

    Per its name, a light-year is the distance that light travels in one Solar year. By simple deductive reasoning, we learn that because we can see Andromeda with our naked eyes, the light its stars emit has been traveling for 2.3 million years, give or take a few hundred thousand as a margin of mathematical error. Therefore, the universe itself disproves the claim that your god created it within the last ten thousand years.

    Quod erat demonstrandum. :)

  • Old Man Raynor

    An agnostic universalist tips his hat as well!

  • Barbara Stefano

    Which is why SCOTUS struck down the part of the misguided mandate of ObamaScare that infringed on those individuals’ rights to freely practice their religion. Blame Obeyme for passing a law that ran afoul of the Constitution.

  • Rabinder Koul

    In fact there are humans that predate Biblical accout of 4000 BC. Even Crow Magnon evolved about 100m000 years ago. Peiopleing of the earth about 50,000 years.

  • Barbara Stefano

    No employer of mine ever provided me a company car or business cell phone. Is this the equivalent of not allowing me to travel or communicate? NO! Because not being forced to fund something is NOT THE SAME AS PROHIBITING it. It’s really not a difficult concept, folks. Women working for HL can still get any kind of birth control/abortions they want. They’re not helpless; just because someone doesn’t buy it for them doesn’t mean they are totally unable to get it.

  • Barbara Stefano

    Except that not having it bought for you does not prevent you from having it. Seriously, are women really that damn helpless that there’s just no way to get it unless someone buys it for us?

  • Barbara Stefano

    Hmm, didn’t realize Marxism was a religion …

  • Barbara Stefano

    Funny how it’s only a “mistaken” belief if you personally don’t believe it. I’m not a religious person, but I think the people who own Hobby Lobby should have right not to be forced to pay for something that violates their freedom of religion. Especially since this in no way “deprives female employees” from getting those treatments on their own. They need only put on their big girl panties and pay for those very few items on their own. I did the same thing for many years when my employers’ heath plans didn’t cover ANY birth control. The LAST thing you’ll see me do is go running to an overreaching government, demanding that it stick its nose into the matter and infringe on someone else’s rights in order to make them pay for something I could readily get on my own.

  • Oldilocks

    American men have some of the nicest looking penises in the world. ;-)

  • Lil25

    About five years ago, I was offered a job teaching science at a Muslim girls’ school under the condition that I wear a headscarf. This is nothing new.

  • Fred Pressel

    Thanks right-wing, neocons, and Hobby Lobby. You opened this Pandoras Box.

  • RenoDude

    Let me see if I understand. On one hand you’ve go a situation where someone (an employer), is not required to pay for a practice that violates their fundamental religious beliefs but does not otherwise impair the rights of the individual to exercise the practice of their own beliefs vs an employer who actively and coercively compels someone to violate their religious beliefs and practices. There is no equivalence. Unfortunately the low information voters who were never taught to think analytically will never understand that, and the Left in this county will promulgate the same moronic comments echoed by the Muslim shopkeeper as well as Ruth Bader Ginsburg to attack the Constitution.

  • MrPlow99

    It’s not “being bought for you.” It’s part of your insurance that you pay premiums for.

  • MrPlow99

    It is absolutely a mistaken belief. They argue against 4 of the 20 contraceptives because they sincerely believe that those cause abortion. Only problem with that is, THEY DON’T CAUSE ABORTION! How is that not a mistaken belief?

  • Barbara Stefano

    And the employer pays the other half. Since they’re paying half, expect that they will have some say. You can’t have it both ways.

    By the way, this SCOTUS decision protects you as well, should you ever find yourself employing people and compelled by your government to fund something you find morally objectionable due to religious beliefs.

  • Barbara Stefano

    “Morning after” and “week after” pills are indeed considered thus.

  • MrPlow99

    As with most right wingers concerning science, you’re wrong abort the morning after pill. http://ec.princeton.edu/questions/ecabt.html

    I don’t know what this “week after” pill is that you speak of, but I’m pretty sure it’s not on the list of covered forms of birth control.

  • Barbara Stefano

    Not it’s not covered, nor did I say it was covered.

  • elizabeth cohen

    Spare me your ignorance. Thanks Oh did your mama have you circumcised?? If yes, well how barbaric.

  • dagobarbz

    Actually?

  • elizabeth cohen

    @Mr. Monday – I can’t reply to your comment because it is waiting moderation. Obviously even the moderators think you vile. I have three sons I did not force Judaism on them. I obeyed the Abrahamic covenant. My boys can’t choose who they want to worship. To my great happiness they chose Jesus – because I gave it to them.

    As to what you said about me and FGM perhaps if someone had cut your D**k off we would be spared your evil seed filling the planet. What a sad human being you are, very sad indeed.

  • elizabeth cohen

    God I gotta puke. You people are the most ignorant I have come across. Go watch the Andromeda strain and enjoy. Geez

  • elizabeth cohen

    Want it – here is my proof – go pick up a bible and read the entire book of Genesis. Jewish people have been keeping the covenant for over 3000 years. Judaism has not changed in 3000 years. It is the oldest and most beloved of decent honest people. You do not fit into the category of decent or honest.

  • elizabeth cohen

    Even the Romans, in their utter cruelty forced the Jews to stop the ritual on pain of death. Why, because they knew how much it would hurt. I find that you and others on this site are the new Romans only with a twist of Nazism and total hatred. Sad, so very sad.

  • stonemike

    Its an ever growing possibility! You do realize JIHAD IS REAL, in America ! Ps , never call a man stupid that probably trumps your IQ by quite a bit ! Name calling was undoubtedly one of Alinskys’ lesser publicized tenets !

  • StopHyperbole

    The Supreme Court even acknowledged that their beliefs were mistaken (i.e. not scientifically valid), but because they “believed” their assertions regarding the contraceptives in question, that was sufficient to allow them to disregard the law.

  • Barbara Stefano

    The problem is that is was Obama’s mistaken belief that he’s an omnipotent dictator that led him to disregard the Constitution regarding freedom of religion.

  • andythebouncer

    A large percentage of people commenting on this article:

  • Temari Halmrast

    i think they are just showing how unjust the hobby lobby thing is and how insane it is well at least i hope it is the whole cutting hands off thing better be

  • Barbara Stefano

    I’m always surprised how many people don’t understand the decision. It’s really pretty simple: Freedom of religion is a constitutionally protected right. Funded birth control is not. Not only is birth control not listed in the Constitution as right, but non-funding of just four out of the 20 doesn’t even keep anyone from getting the other four, non-funded kinds — so absolutely zero rights are infringed by the SCOTUS decision. You and I get that, but so many do not understand that distinction.

  • xanthoptica

    Yeah, except that the Bill of Rights are for people, not for companies, which are convenient legal creations. The idea that a company has religious beliefs is laughable…and yet 5 justices fell for just that argument. There’s nothing in the Bill of Rights that guarantees a company can violate the law because of the legal equivalent of faux-abortifacient cooties.

  • xanthoptica

    Um…but they don’t have the same insurance coverage (i.e. benefits) that women working for other companies – companies which follow the law – do. How is that not discriminatory again?

  • Barbara Stefano

    Oh, for heaven’s sake! Every company has different benefits — that doesn’t make the one offering fewer/less valuable benefits discriminatory. (Even if it did, Hobby Lobby wouldn’t meet the requirement because their pay is actually much higher than the national average for their industry.) However, forcing business people to pay for something that runs counter to their religious beliefs is what the SCOTUS determined was in violation of the Constitution.

  • Steve Graczyk

    Would LOVE to share this but I’m afraid that eventually it will wend it’s way to some of the Religious Right and they’ll take this article to heart. Too bad though because I love a good laugh !! :)

  • xanthoptica

    Well, the point of the Affordable Care Act is that there is a minimum standard of coverage to qualify as real insurance, and all company plans are supposed to meet that standard. So the “everybody has different benefits” argument doesn’t exactly apply; Hobby Lobby employees will get less coverage than workers whose companies follow the law. Sorry, but there’s no way to sugar coat the unfairness out of that one.

  • Barbara Stefano

    How fair is it to have a non-constitutionally protected “want” (coverage for a specific type of birth control) override a constitutionally protected right (freedom of religion)? When choosing between a want and right that’s constitutionally protected, sorry, the right wins out every time. And the great part is that it in no way keeps anyone from still getting those specific types of birth control. The decision basically came down to whether ObamaScare can force the business to pay for it. The SCOTUS decision didn’t change anything; it just blocked an unconstitutional mandate. People can still get any kind of birth control they want. The ruling only dealt with whether the business is forced to pay for certain ones in violation of their faith.

  • Barbara Stefano

    The problem is not Hobby Lobby’s desire not to fund certain methods of birth control; that’s actually nothing new. The problem arose out of the unconstitutionality of certain ObamaCare mandates. Had the law actually been read and properly vetted for constitutionality, SCOTUS would never have had to hear and decide this case. It’s not Hobby Lobby’s fault the prez and his clan didn’t do due diligence.

  • Glenda LaHaye

    It isn’t the company that has beliefs. It’s the owners. Get that straight. And NO ONE complains about the owners faith based steering of the ship when it comes to hourly wage or time off. Going by your logic the employees rights and freedoms end when they clock in. There are many companies run by people of faith who strive to do the best they can according to biblical principal. Religious liberty is a fundamental and inalienable right that doesn’t cease at the officer door. Health insurance, however, is not a right. It’s a perk. It is not guaranteed to us by the Bill of Rights and, frankly, employers don’t have to provide it.

  • Noah Wood

    Okay, listen dumbass IQ =/= intelligence. IQ = Mental Age / Actual age * 100. A four year old can have an IQ of 175 which means their brain functions at a 7 year old’s level. That 4 year old trumps Stephen Hawkins IQ, but definitely not his intelligence.
    But, let’s use your logic about IQ anyway. My IQ is between 146 and 150, which technically classifies me as a ‘genius’, and therefore someone that is better suited than the average man to critique intelligence. You are stupid, I have yet to see you provide any sort of defense for your positions, and you introduce random topics in an attempt to derail the argument, that is a fallacy by the way. You attempt to contest people of average intelligence and fail, you cannot even identify the holes in your own ideas. You are like a child, you latch on to an idea because it sounds good, yet refuse to investigate your own beliefs to prove it true. You are not being called an idiot because you are somehow incapable of achieving the intelligence of the average man, you are being called an idiot because you refuse to 1) Think before posting your opinions. 2) Provide evidence to substantiate your claims, and 3) You use fallacious arguments which only diminish your credibility.

    If you truly are as intelligent as you claim, your arguments show you are extremely lazy, and should not to be trusted as any sort of authority on the matter.

  • Jenjen

    Men’s health insurance is not censored based on their employers feelings.

  • dhb4angels

    Great comments!

  • Noah Wood

    “but you’ll have trouble showing me where it says to kill everyone on Earth who does not convert to christianity!”
    seriously? I sincerely hope you’re a troll. Nobody could actually be that stupid!

  • Barbara Stefano

    Men don’t tend to demand morning-after pills. But if it makes you feel any better, the SCOTUS decision means employers can’t be forced to provide them to men, either. And the really great part is that the Constitutional protection of freedom of religion was protected for both men and women equally.

  • Barbara Stefano

    Nice that you are aware of the point of ObamaScare, but you sort of missed the point of the Constitution. Sorry, but that trumps coverage for morning-after pills. Every. Single.Time.

  • Marvo Da Mighty

    That is not the point. The decision is so broad that if Hobby lobby decided to impose something else religious on their employees, they could do so and call it a condition of employment since it falls with in religious belief to do so. Mind you the application of the law is not the same as the intent of the law, but such extremes are likely to be attempted.

  • Chunkdog1

    The difference is, Hobby Lobby is not imposing it’s religious beliefs on anyone else.

    They are not forcing their employees to not have abortions, or not to take certain contraceptives. Their employees have all the freedom in the world to still do that.

    They are not forcing their employees to do, or not to do anything that goes against their employees religious beliefs..

    They are just refusing to pay for certain things themselves, that go against their own religion.

    These Christian women are being forced to live by Islamic rules.

    Following this employers ridiculous train of thought, if they wanted these Christian women to say Islamic prayers 3 times a day, then that’s perfectly legal, and they have every right to force the women to do so.

    But it’s not legal and they don’t have that right.

    They also have no right to force them to dress according the laws of Islam.

    These women should get a lawyer.

    It’s apples and oranges.

  • Barbara Stefano

    It’s a spoof article, so no one’s actually making non-Muslim women wear hijabs, but clearly you understand the issue that inspired this rather ill-fitting analogy. Thank goodness for people who get it!

  • Chunkdog1

    I realized that right after I wrote it.

    The terrible thing is, that with this administration, it’s hard to tell what’s satire and what isn’t.

    Nothing is beyond them.

  • Barbara Stefano

    No, the ruling does NOT give the company owners leeway to actively impose religious practices on their employees!!! All it did was prevent an overreaching health care law from violating their constitutional rights. It effectively did nothing to change existing law. It didn’t grant them any additional powers over their employees whatsoever. This idea that they can now force employees into their religions is so over-the-top hysterical, and just flat-out wrong. Come on …

  • Barbara Stefano

    I know, it’s scary. Scary how many people are finding this administration’s lawlessness completely acceptable too. Wait until a Republican president inherits all the power Obeyme so generously gave himself — see how loud they protest when the shoe’s on the other foot! All you and I will be able to do is say, “We told ya so!”

  • Jeepy

    Because health insurance is a perk, and agreed upon employment. If you don’t like the compensation that an employer is giving you in return for your work, then why are you working for that employer. You wouldn’t work for someone who only pays you a shilling a day to work for twelve hours would you?

  • Meryl Stewart

    Most of the ignorance i yours – believing “God made a covenant with Abraham” … grow up and stop believing in fairy tales.

  • StopHyperbole

    That is your opinion. My opinion is that the “problem” is that there are people like you who actually believe in that line of bs.

  • Guest

    Hi Barbera,

    Are you sure it is a spoof article? I see the intent of the article -but did this really happen?

  • stonemike

    Dont call me stupid you m—fucker , mind your own business! If youre half as smart as you think you are , you can get my phone number, call me , badass !

  • Vince

    Just tell them it is SATIRE rat the beginning of your post

  • Vince

    LOL!

  • fifthdentist

    Actually it’s “I could NOT care less.”
    See, saying you could care less means that it is possible for you to care less, but that you are not.
    Who’s the ignorant ones again?
    Also, you, as one who believes in Bronze Age fairy tales, probably should not be questioning the intelligence of others.

  • Guest

    liberty is liberty!

  • A-Train

    so now not forcing someone to do something IS forcing someone to do something? (for sake of argument)

  • A-Train

    more like ‘company doesn’t provide free pork for lunch’, but you’re right regardless.

  • A-Train

    you’re working for the money to buy the food; same as insurance (well, as it should be at least)

  • A-Train

    its called faith for a reason… derzzzz

  • A-Train

    and @sshats like you believe its ‘a right’ to force someone to buy something (Anything for that fcking matter) for you.
    ‘science’ really should be irrelevant to this conversation.
    the fact you feel its your ‘right’ to demand someone forfeit their own property/money to provide something ‘free to you’ is utter BS.

  • A-Train

    you do realize even if an issue is ‘made up’ its still up for discussion, right?
    how many people actually saw police having ‘the right’ to bang prostitutes without repercussion? (See Hawaii)
    South Park made fun of that same situation years ago, and it ends up having a lot of truth in it…

  • Joshua D Bird

    Religion should stay at home. Practice what you like in the own privacy of your home. I don’t care if you own a business or not. Shouldn’t be pushing your religion on anybody no matter what.

  • xanthoptica

    Perhaps I can quote from your earlier post: “Being forced to fund something is not the same as prohibiting it.” Likewise, being forced to fund something is not the same as being forced to do it. Nobody is telling Hobby Lobby employees or owners what they must *do*; only what they must fund as part of an employee insurance plan. If “vetting” legislation for constitutionality includes such a weak claim, I bet you could throw out 30% of the US code. Don’t hold the President responsible for the crazy judicial activism of this decision.

  • Apollyon
  • Barbara Stefano

    So, if your religion is OK with the morning after pill, you should be allowed to force your religion on someone by making them pay for it? How is that OK?

  • Joshua D Bird

    Did you read what i wrote? How does anything you just said relate to my comment?

  • Barbara Stefano

    What’s frightening is that there are actually people who believe it’s OK to chuck the Constitution out the window for morning-after pills. Even dumber, those same people are so helpless that they think that if someone doesn’t buy something for them, there’s no way for them to have it.

  • Barbara Stefano

    Yes I did, but apparently you didn’t quite comprehend mine. Not actively paying for someone’s morning-after pills doesn’t constitute pushing religion off on someone. It’s not fair to accuse someone of pushing their religion off on someone just because they don’t violate their beliefs to comply with a law that never should have demanded certain things in the first place.

  • http://www.aclu.org i1n1f1o1m1a1n1i1a1c1

    You ask for proof against your fictional source?

    There are many Torah (Bible Old Testament, for they goyem) stories that were adapted from earlier religions and rumors. In fact, circumcision and kosher was not in the original versions of the Abraham story, but was added after exile, as a way to keep the people together.
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/writers-bible.html

  • andythebouncer

    If you think *that’s* bad, they use the deli slicer to do it.

  • Joshua D Bird

    Religion has no place in the work place plain and simple. Morning after pill has nothing to do with my comment.

  • J.M. White

    That’s some hilarious revisionist history there. Obama is GWB redux. Nothing more. Nothing less. GWB did more to expand presidential power (so he could get revenge for Dad) than any president since Hoover. There is virtually nothing that Obama has done in regards to presidential power that is unprecedented. Declaring him a lawless dictator won’t change the facts. Were you protesting when GWB was doing the same things, or is this fact filtered out by partisan blinders? Do you even realize that you’re doing, right now, the very thing that you’re predicting will happen when a Republican president takes the reins? 2024 is a long time in the future to be worrying about, anyway.

  • Barbara Stefano

    People should not be deprived of their freedom of it, either. The absence of morning-after pills in an insurance plan does not constitute “religion in the workplace” any more than the absence of bacon in a cafeteria equates to “Muslim cuisine.”

  • Barbara Stefano

    So, let me get this straight: GWB was a lawless dictator but president who follows him and expands upon the overreaching power he established is not? I didn’t like the overreach when Bush did it and I like even less now that it’s been enhanced under Obama. If you’re OK with Obama doing the same thing Bush did, only more, you’re a hypocrite.

  • Barbara Stefano

    You do realize that OwebamaScare gives the government even MORE control over you, don’t you? If your sole defense of dictators like Obeyme is to point out precedent for it, you’re on very thin logical ground.

  • J.M. White

    So you were actively mocking Bush’s given name when he was starting questionably-legal wars and massively expanding government intrusion into our private lives? Were you out there actively protesting the expansion of powers?

    I never said I was okay with any of it, nor did I call Bush a lawless dictator (I was paraphrasing your assessment of Obama). I think they’re ALL crooks, liars and thieves. Same rapist, different mask. I’m a crazy dreamer; I think we should have an actual representative government which is held accountable to its citizenry and gets booted to the curb if they don’t do their jobs. Fancy that.

  • Joshua D Bird

    So called “freedom”. Freedom is not one sided. It’s suppose to appeal all. You have one side in this story who is able to express their religious beliefs. Yet in doing so, they don’t allow the other side to express their beliefs.

  • Barbara Stefano

    So then, are YOU actively protesting now that Oblamer is doing the same thing Bush was doing? Because I’m only hearing you revisit the Bush administration, which has been over now for five and half years. (When ARE people going to stop invoking Bush and address Obama anyway?)

  • J.M. White

    The ACA has allowed me to reduce my premiums by 36%, expand my coverage and lower my copay. And not one single freedom of mine has been infringed upon. Not one single gov’t agent has come to my door. In fact, I had to file even less paperwork and went through less of an interrogation through the new exchange in my state than I did when I signed up for Anthem.

    But you’re right: the imposition of this measure of control is a crushing burden. I just bought a boat with the money I saved. Poor me.

  • Barbara Stefano

    Wait, so taking the morning-after pill is “expressing a religious belief???” Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha-hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha-hahahahahaha!!! No wonder this country is so messed up! Hahahahahahahahahaha…

  • Joshua D Bird

    Holy crud. You keep going on about the morning after pill. Im talking about the article.

  • Barbara Stefano

    That’s a spoof article poking fun at the Hobby Lobby decision.

  • Joshua D Bird

    Abortion is screwed up entirely. I think it’s an easy way out. Then again i think there are instances like rape, insest, where abortions might be appropriate. Making people pay for others abortions is pretty outrageous. I would never condone abortion. That’s just my opinion. I believe woman have the right to choose, even though i might not like it. I surely don’t want to pay the bill so some other can take a life.

  • Barbara Stefano

    So glad we agree on that, Joshua! I apologize; I assumed you knew it was a spoof and were opposing the Hobby Lobby decision by SCOTUS.

  • Barbara Stefano

    Sorry but the tradeoff — the government in control of your health care — isn’t worthy any amount of money. If it hasn’t bitten you in the butt yet, it will. And I don’t for one second believe you bought a boat with your savings.

  • J.M. White

    I wondered how long it would take for that old go-to to come out. I’m not addressing them. I’m addressing you, your own words and your curious amnesia of history. I can’t say as I blame you for not wanting Bush mentioned. After all, he did more to flush this country than any other president in our lifetimes. For God’s sake, he even created a larger schism within his own party and allowed the radicals and fringe elements to slip in the void and gain a tangible foothold. Purposely forgetting that or deeming it verboten certainly falls under the realm of “thin logical ground” in itself.

    I don’t protest any of it. I’m a minarchist myself. (I think the presidency should be replaced by a tribunal on a rotating six-year term, for instance). I protest people who act like evil was suddenly invented when Obama took office. It is you who are gnashing your teeth and rending your garments over Obama and his tactics. I merely reminded you that they aren’t new and Obama didn’t just miraculously invent them in 2009.

  • Joshua D Bird

    Article made me a little angry. So i decided to type about it.

  • Barbara Stefano

    Oh, you’ll address a president who has been out of office for five years now, but not the current one? THAT is the Liberal old go-to. Hypocrite.

  • Barbara Stefano

    And you know nothing about me or my beliefs, so don’t claim I’m new to this protest of presidential overreach thing. I objected when Bush did it too. I’m sticking to that objection now that Obama’s in office, rather than excusing it. Just because there is precedent for abuse of power doesn’t mean we shouldn’t call out Obeyme for also abusing it.

  • J.M. White

    I don’t care what you believe. I’m not here to validate myself to you. You declare me a liar only because it’s convenient to your narrative that the ACA is the evil tool of penultimate gov’t control. But I’ll be sure to cower in fear waiting for it to bite me in the butt. Based on nothing but the words of a person who just called me a liar, of course.

  • Barbara Stefano

    There are many, many, many very smart and knowledgeable people who have spoken about the failures of OwebamaScare, and even the Dems who voted it in are now admitting that it’s fallen short. You don’t have to believe me, but watch the news once in a while before you make a fool of yourself worshiping at the Owebama altar.

  • J.M. White

    I know nothing about you or your beliefs or your integrity, but you can openly call me a liar? Interesting that you toss out the word hypocrite so much, considering that you seem to be so intimately familiar with it.

  • Barbara Stefano

    I didn’t call you a liar. I said I didn’t believe you bought a boat with your savings. There’s a difference, but then people who actually believe that ObamaScare is a good idea usually don’t understand fine distinctions.

  • J.M. White

    I’m starting to believe you might be a little mentally deficient. I addressed both of them, openly stating “I never said I was okay with any of it.” Are you angry because my condemnation doesn’t say their names? Would that make you feel better and maybe help you try to act more like an adult? You know, without all the name calling and out-of-hand dismissals of people whom you choose to debate?

  • Barbara Stefano

    You’re behind the curve, J.M. I figured out you were mentally deficient the moment you typed your first post. Good day.

  • J.M. White

    Okay, I’m starting to realize that I’m debating someone with a sub-100 IQ. I’m going to go slow here: Telling a person that you don’t believe something that they just said to you IS calling them a liar. Equivocate that all you like; it only makes you look foolish.

  • J.M. White

    I’ll take that to mean that you are incapable of acting like an adult and having reasonable, rational debate without resorting to juvenile tactics. Good day, indeed. Don’t worry; I still have faith that one day you’ll grow up to be a respectable woman.

  • xanthoptica

    First off, that’s a pretty unrealistic assertion in today’s employment environment. Second, these are simply minimum standards for health insurance (similar to the ones for, say, auto insurance). The fact that somebody doesn’t like the minimum standard shouldn’t be a reason to flout the law, whether or not it’s based on factually inaccurate beliefs of any kind.

  • SecularHumanist199

    You apparently missed the point of the Hobby Lobby case. It wasn’t just about the morning after pill, but even it it were, the ruling said that Hobby Lobby could decide what their employees used their medical insurance to cover.

    One of the things they objected to was an IUD. I have a friend whose daughter has endometriosis and an IUD was prescribed to treat this condition. They are relatively expensive and without medical insurance this young woman might not have been able to afford it. Untreated the result would be the potential for permanent damage to her reproductive system. In other words, the Hobby Lobby decision means that a religious employer can use their religious beliefs to deny treatment deemed necessary by a medical professional to prevent a young woman from becoming infertile.

    Yes, the parents could go ahead and pay for it themselves, but if they didn’t have the hundreds of dollars it costs, their daughter would be out of luck, all because some idiotic business owners and moronic, activist supreme court decided that it was OK for someone to use their religious beliefs to overrule a medical decision, even though the business had already agreed to pay for medical insurance. Once they agree to pay for medical insurance it becomes part of the employees salary and Hobby Lobby is NO LONGER paying for the treatment, the employee is using part of their income to pay for it, just through their medical insurance.

    Of course this article is not real and the things being claimed are not consistent with the Hobby Lobby case, yet there are other things potentially nearly as offensive that COULD be done as a result of the case.

  • Cathy Young

    They sure don’t have a problem buying their goods from a country that forces abortion on its women though do they? That alone makes me wonder how religious they really are.

  • Cathy Young

    If I am already paying into the insurance pool why should I have to pay more because of my gender? Why are vasectomies still paid for? Why were they covering them prior to the ACA mandate? If they are so against abortion, why do they purchase ALL their goods from a country that forces it on the women? Why do they claim that abortion is against god when it is nowhere in the bible? HL just wants its way, it has nothing to do with religion at all otherwise they would not purchase from china.

  • Karen

    If taking the morning after pill is a woman’s religious belief, she is free to go out and buy it herself. I don’t force my employer to buy me a Rosary. It’s my belief, it’s my responsibility to get my own. Likewise, any woman in this country may go buy her own abortifacients if it’s that important to her. Honestly, this is an asinine line of reasoning you’re using.

  • Cathy Young

    they make money off the same birth control they deny. In fact, it was covered on their insurance until the ACA mandate. The real kicker is how they puchase from china while playing the anti abortion religion card here. They are hypocrites.

  • Karen

    Chunkdog, I agree. The left has come up with so many lunatic ideas that there are actually times I think it’s a satire and it turns out it’s for real.

  • apoteke

    ” “If Hobby Lobby can impose its religious beliefs on its employees, why can’t we?” he demands. “Are Christian business owners somehow more important than Muslim business owners?” I missed the part where Hobby Lobby is not allowing its employees to use the 4 types of “birth control” they consider to cause an abortion. They just don’t want to pay for these procedures. I wonder what they would do if one of these women was raped while on the job?

  • Joshua D Bird

    oh boy. What’s with the morning pill comments. I didn’t bring that up. Nor did i make it anything to do with religion. Stay on subject.

  • Joshua D Bird

    Since you brought it up though, let’s go. Big difference between morning after pill and abortion. Pretty sure i was referring to abortion. I mentioned i don’t want my tax money paying for a female to abort a baby. Aborting babies has nothing to do with a religious belief. It’s a right in this country. You have the right and freedom to make your own decisions.

  • ajm

    Barbarba, Barbara, Barbara,
    Let me ask you a simple question. What about the religious rights of the employees? And, you, as a woman I assume, don’t realize that their claim is not based on science whatsoever. They “feel” those 4 contraceptives could cause an abortion but they can’t prove that and the scientific community agrees those 4 actually don’t let fertilization happen just like the other 16 so their religious claim is baseless. If this decision means I can just feel like something is against my religious beliefs and that my beliefs trump my employees beliefs than said decision actually flies in the face of the 1st Amendment. SCOTUS pretty much “endorsed” a religion specifically by not allowing the slippery slope. I guess you don’t care about the bill of rights or the rights of the individual. If you want a gov’t endorsed theocracy you should move to Iran or the Sudan. You’d be happier there.

  • ajm

    ObamaScare. Wow, you are so creative. Name calling is not what a good debater uses. If you can’t debate without name calling than you argument is invalid. Go back to kindergarten. The adults are talking.

  • Barbara Stefano

    Again, not having certain pills paid for does not in any way, shape or form infringe on the rights of those employees, since morning-after pills are not protected under the Constitution.

  • Barbara Stefano

    Nice, you rail against name-calling and in the next breath imply that I’m a kindergartener. Another hypocrite.

  • ajm

    The ACA provides minimum coverage. All 20 contraceptions are covered under the ACA. The ACA doesn’t cover abortions. That is why all 20 are covered. What if an employee claimed their religion made them use one of those 4?

    Why have you not answered or don’t seem to have a problem that Hobby Lobby deals with China who forces abortions on it’s people?

    Why don’t you care that Hobby Lobby invests their 401K plan to pharma companies that create those 4 contraceptives?

    Explain to me how the decision was correct when a person (or now company–explain to me how you think that is OK that a company has the same rights as an individual) needs to show credible proof that their religious claim is valid and how all the other evidence was completely ignored by 5 catholic men when making this decision. I don’t care about your personal beliefs. I care of what you think is happening our gov’t and how you are ok with.

    Again, to explicitly not allow the slippery slope SCOTUS’ decision flies in the face of the 1st Amendment because they obviously endorsed this company’s religion. Tell me how you can be ok with that?

  • ajm

    I didn’t call you a kindergartener. I told you that your name calling belongs in kindergarten and not in an adult conversation. Write me off as a hypocrite because you can’t debate me properly. Whatever floats your boat.

  • Guest

    Article is misleading. Hobby Lobby said they wouldn’t pay for four abortifacient drugs. They pay for other birth control. They did NOT threaten to fire someone someone who took the drugs on their own dime. Apples to oranges. That said, it’s their company, their shot. Now please tell that to the homosexual jerks who closed down the wedding cake business.

  • MI Mitten

    Hope they were using one of the 16 contraceptives?

  • MI Mitten

    The ruling said that HL qualified for the HHS carve-out.
    HHS:
    “…Women will not have to forego these services because of expensive co-pays or deductibles, or because an insurance plan doesn’t include contraceptive services. This rule is consistent with the laws in a majority of states which already require contraception coverage in health plans, and includes the exemption in the interim final rule allowing certain religious organizations not to provide contraception coverage. Beginning August 1, 2012, most new and renewed health plans will be required to cover these services without cost sharing for women across the country.”

    “Once they agree to pay for medical insurance it becomes part of the employees salary and Hobby Lobby is NO LONGER paying for the treatment”
    or
    Once they agree to pay for medical insurance, they should have a say in the coverages. If the department of Health and Human Services has an exemption for religious organizations “..I believe this proposal strikes the appropriate balance between respecting religious freedom and increasing access to important preventive services. – Katherine Sebelius” why can’t religious individuals and groups?

    “other things…” like what?

  • MI Mitten

    NO, they argue against the 4 of 20 because HHS gave the carve-out.

    http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2012pres/01/20120120a.html

  • MI Mitten

    A:”…You have the agreement of health care as part of your pay when you agree to work for them. You earn that, it’s not a gift.” and the coverage the employer decides on is what the company pays for.

    B:57% of Doctors in a survey agree life begins at conception.
    The FDA and the drug/procedure manufacturers state that they could cause a fertilized egg not to implant.

    C:The HHS carve-out was not created by HL or SCOTUS, but by the Obama administration.
    Tell it to Katherine Sebelius then:
    http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2012pres/01/20120120a.html

  • Thornmarch

    Only flaw with what you said dear Guest, is that NONE of the drugs/devices cited in the Hobby Lobby case cause abortion. Not a single one. The whole charade was because the owners of Hobby Lobby BELIEVED they cause abortion. Not that they actually do.
    I mean, I believe that the Sun is a giant fruit, the Moon is made of purple dragons. Neither of those beliefs of mine change the facts that the Sun is not a fruit and the Moon is not a mass of purple dragons. Even if I believe it with all my heart and make a religion based on magic Sun-dragon prophets it will never change the actual facts. So screaming loudly that you “believe” things might happen does not change the facts in any way.
    Also, all the drugs/devices listed in the suit are ALL made form companies that their 401k plan (3/4th) is heavily invested in. So Hobby Lobby owners are too godly to provide coverage for these things but are more than happy to profit from them.

  • Thornmarch

    I’m sorry, I guess I misunderstood. If HL were forced to provide these things then every female employee would be forced to use them?

    When you say “The absence of morning-after pills in an insurance plan does not constitute “religion in the workplace”

    You must mean that if they were forced to provide coverage for them then every female employee would be forced to use them? Coz pretty sure that was never the case.

  • elizabeth cohen

    Actually you are wrong. First of you don’t even know the language the original bible was written in. Secondly the new testament writer’s were all Jews and that includes Peter – the Apostle to the Jews and Paul the Apostle to the gentiles. First let’s deal with your claim that there is no circumcision in the bible.
    Quote

    Genesis Chapter 17: 9-14 KJV(king James version)

    9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

    So, that settles that point. As to Kosher:

    Leviticus 11:1
    1 The LORD spoke again to Moses and to Aaron, saying to them, 2 “Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, ‘These are the creatures which you may eat from all the animals that are on the earth.…

    Leviticus 20:25
    The LORD spoke again to Moses and to Aaron, saying to them, “Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, ‘These are the creatures which you may eat from all the animals that are on the earth.…

    Now, I can certainly go on but I believe you get the point. The circumcision was done before Isaac was born. Kosher law came when they were at Mount Sinai.
    This is from my fictional source. And, I don’t watch PBS – it is an antisemitic station. Now, why not give me your sources or is PBS the best you got?

    Let me know if you need more proof.

  • elizabeth cohen

    I posted my proof – read and learn

  • Noah Wood

    Micheal Stone Sr. from Pampa, Texas. You were told EXACTLY where in the Bible it says to kill all non-christians; it is an extraordinary feat of cognitive dissonance to immediately state ‘you’ll have trouble showing me where it says to kill everyone on Earth who does not convert to christianity!’ after being told such.

  • elizabeth cohen

    @sherylhunter:disqus – you are really hateful aren’t you young lady. I couldn’t care less if you believed in my God or Satan that is your choice. And, becoming a eunuch means having one’s B*lls removed. Circumcised males can still have babies. I am not quite sure you understand the word. Well actually it is not me being hateful I think that one just fell in your lap. Go read my proof and G-d will be my judge – not some ignorant little girl.

  • Guest

    This business owner is more than a few screws short. What I think is absolutely priceless, is that people like him, come to our country/continent in want of a better life. They force us to scrub out businesses and public buildings of prayer and traditional holidays and now they think having done that they can force people of a differing faith to follow *their* traditions in our lands? I think not. If I was that woman being handed a head scarf, I would have thrown it down on the floor, and once he’d fired me, walked. Cutting off hands for theft? Seriously? This lunatic needs to be taught, that, that is not the way we do things here, and his religion has nothing to do with sane legal or business practice. It’s high time the tail stopped wagging the dog, and we stood up for what is important to us. I’m not a Christian myself, I’m a Wiccan, but this kind of behavior should not be allowed to stand. I have two words for that store owner. **** you.

  • Barbara Stefano

    I have no such hope for you, hypocrite.

  • Barbara Stefano

    Well, that’s certainly a creative misinterpretation of my statement, I’ll say that much.

  • Barbara Stefano

    Employees are not currently forced to use every heath care option available to them now, so no.

  • felixinmontana

    I am certainly not surprised by all the “high and mighty” Atheist responses on here. Considering how superior they believe they are. I follow no religion, but you can count me out of your petty, smug little hate group. Interesting.. I don’t see much Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Satanist, Wicken bashing by the so called Atheist.

  • stonemike

    Im agnostic, I dont care what the bible says, or any one else! I have a fairly high IQ and will draw my own conclusions on every matter, and I conclude christians have done “lots of good in the world”, but muslims are child raping dogs who threaten the wrong people when they threaten people like me !

  • jerichothered

    maybe because they are not trying to force the entire country into following their beliefs?

  • http://www.aclu.org i1n1f1o1m1a1n1i1a1c1

    You didn’t read what I wrote very carefully. You are quoting modern day day texts. The event I am talking about occurred around 600 BCE. Check out the link.

  • http://www.aclu.org i1n1f1o1m1a1n1i1a1c1

    Who is the “they” you are referring to?

  • Old Man Raynor

    I’m going on record to declare you the ignorant one, as you are rejecting information that you would be able to confirm with your own eyes, in the interest of preserving the delusion you cleave to so desperately. What are you so afraid of that you try to contradict mathematics and simple logic?

  • Glenda LaHaye

    The owners of the company are not telling their employees what to do. The are simply saying “we won’t be made culpable in it.” What countries are you speaking of? China? Should they cut ties to their business partners there and hurt those employees because of a decision the GOVERNMENT made and enforces? This particular company pays its employees well, provides health care insurance they are not obligated to, covers 16 out of 20 FDA approved contraceptives and follows biblical principles in their business decisions. People can say religion should be left out all they want. The truth is the owners feel God has blessed their endeavors because of what they do. And the last time I checked they were doing pretty well.

  • Old Man Raynor

    That doesn’t qualify as proof, given that the genealogy provided by the three Abrahamic religions alleges that mankind’s inception took place only a few thousand years prior to the Roman Empire’s expansion into the eastern Mediterranean. We have absolute proof that the planet is older than that, thereby refuting your claim that any accurate account of history can be derived from Jewish, Christian, or Islamic texts.

  • cewing2301

    pssst? he has just as much right to be in this country believing the way he chooses, and since he is a business owner he can make his employees do his way or they can look for other work. if you want to call someone a lunatic? call the one that started this, by forcing his Christian beliefs on his employees. and how much you want to bet, he wont have anyone stealing at his biz! lol touché` el pussycat

  • cewing2301

    it isn’t forcing, its part of a insurance plan. and no..hobby lobby does NOT have the right to tell a woman what she does with her body and health. that is the issue. I think its great what this biz owner has done. more need to do the same, lets get some hindu, some non Christians. etc etc etc

  • cewing2301

    yes it is, their decision is based on their RELIGION! and they have NO right telling their female employees they MUST get pregnant. obviously you work for a company that allows your Freedom Of Choice!

  • amak11

    True Christian/Catholic would ignore this and go about their day.
    Moronic Christian/Catholics would moan about it until the morning comes.
    I don’t see people moaning about wearing McDonald’s uniforms.

  • MostlyPerfect

    Too bad it’s a spoof. I would have LOVED to see all the Christians frothing at the mouth and going into rage induced aneurisms over this.

  • Barbara Stefano

    What …? Who’s forcing women to get pregnant? Unless Hobby Lobby is drugging them and raping them, they’re not forcing them to get pregnant. What an idiotic thing to say. Pregnancy is totally preventable, either through abstinence or via the 16 methods of birth control that Hobby Lobby DOES pay for.

  • Barbara Stefano

    Taking birth control is not “and expression of religious beliefs,” so no one’s right to express their beliefs was compromised with the SCOTUS decision.

  • Noah Wood

    … True Christians? Please define.

  • Barbara Stefano

    The SCOTUS ruling does not keep any woman from making any decisions for herself. (She can still buy any birth control she wants; however, her employer will not be forced for pay for just a few of the 20 options available to her.) The decision protects that same women in the event that she starts her own business and does not wish to have her religious rights trampled.

  • Richard Allan

    Your total belief in a book of fairy tales is sad. I prefer science

  • MNLoonaTick

    It indeed says “You must be circumcised.” It does NOT go on to explain what circumcision actually IS, though, does it? Circumcision was around a long time before God made his covenant with Abraham, and people knew what circumcision was. If circumcision was something new and unique, you’d think there would be a passage defining exactly what it is and how to correctly do it.

  • Larry Thedishguy Blake

    You might want to read further down. It’s hysterical what some elitist whiners have said on this topic.

  • Larry Thedishguy Blake

    And yet…that’s exactly what Native Americans had to put up with as far back as 1492. Your argument is void.

  • xanthoptica

    You do realize that the act of denying coverage for these contraceptives is a blatant effort to control what employees do with their reproductive parts, right? You do realize that paying for health insurance that covers a whole range of medical procedures and just happens to include four that you don’t like is a pretty weak claim of “religious freedom”, don’t you? You do realize that nobody is telling the owners of Hobby Lobby what to believe in any way, right?

  • xanthoptica

    I’m guessing you would support the right of Quakers to withhold about 30% of their income taxes, since that’s what the DOD budget is and they have a long history of pacifism.

  • Daniel A. Jaimen Navarrete

    You know who. The ehtnic mafia and financial overlords of America. In this case, through the academic and medical branch of it.

  • http://www.aclu.org i1n1f1o1m1a1n1i1a1c1

    The Koch brothers? Are you too afraid to mention them by name? But where’s your proof.

  • UtahTwisted

    LOL… really? Wait, I hope you’re just being sarcastic.

  • cmom

    LOL this was a satire piece, why are you taking it seriously?

  • Jane Smith

    my god is better than your god, so your god doesn’t have the power to overrule mine, and mine says that ANY Bodily Mutilation is a CRIME.

    You Should Be arrested for Abuse, Assault and battery.

  • Jane Smith

    ALL Organized Religions Revolve their Cultist Leader… Abraham. You are in one seriously EVIL Cult. If he said for everyone that has and ever will live to Jump off a Cliff at age 20, would you?

  • Jane Smith

    Abraham was a CULT Leader. That is why ALL Organized religions revolve around him. He Engineered judaism, christianity,islam. ALL 3 main Organized Religions. Abraham did not have enough POWER to Influence The Far East, to inflict damage on the Hindu….thank Goodness.

  • Jane Smith

    LMAO!! Using a Fairy Tale to Prove a Fairy Tale is is Mental Insanity. YOU NEED MENTAL HELP!! Your CULT is EVIL.. AND Realist can prove you wrong time and time and time again. You Will NEVER Win!

  • Jane Smith

    This also Applies to Females Circumcision. The ENTIRE Practise used Today to CONTROL people. Everything else is just filler material. People dont use Medical practices from 2,000 years ago, so why use the moral evils from then either?

  • Jane Smith

    The Only Ignorance here is your Ignorance of MEDICINE and REALITY. You live in a Fantasy World, you are being Controlled AND BRAINWASHED. You are a SAD human Being for being so Masochistic like your kind are.

  • Jane Smith

    ARE YOU CIRCUMCISED? DO you NOT Follow your Own CULTS Orders?

  • Jane Smith

    oh there is.. Most Atheist go after Organized Religions as they are true Cults and are 100% of the time the organization forcing their beliefs on everyone else, trying to make us obey their laws. Atheism is not a religion, so they could never be any laws to enforce. The concept by Christians to think that Atheist are high and mighty, is not a real ideology. Atheist only believe that they are exempt from such fantasies and as non conformist, that makes them seem high and mighty, because they do not follow the sheep because they are highly intelligent individuals that nearly all the time, have better morals and treat others better than anyone from a organized cult would. Its not opinion, its studied fact. That doesn’t make anyone higher and mightier. It is just when Humans being humans appear to be and act high and mighty, it because of the distorted unrealistic views because of ENSLAVEMENT from the offended commentators cult.

  • Jane Smith

    Nicely Said. We refuse to be enslaved by anyone.

  • Jane Smith

    True? the cult known as christianity is so opinionated from one sect to another, there no such thing as christianity as a single entity.

  • Jane Smith

    Thanks to Hobby Lobby, I dont have to recognize anyones religious Beliefs. As it woudl violate my own. so If I went to Hobby Lobby, they woudl violate my beliefs. The SCOTUS has opened Pandoras Box. i HOPE ALL Religions come out of the wood work and punish the land with the stupidity known as organized religion.

  • zlk

    You also missed the part where this article is satire :D

  • neomoderate

    All this arguing on the internet over a made up article…priceless.

  • pdderek

    why bother explaining something logically to an illogical person? You’re wasting your finger energy ;)

  • pdderek

    that’s not proof of anything you stupid wench. I’ve read Genesis (I’ll bet many more times than you) It’s ripe with aliens, spaceships, and IT NEVER MENTIONS THE AGE OF THE UNIVERSE OR EARTH.

    And if your ONLY CLAIM to age of Earth is that the first men showed up on Earth with Adam, well, WHO WAS CAIN AFRAID OF WHEN HE WAS EXPELLED FROM THE GARDEN?

    You probably haven’t read the Bible enough to understand my question, but think about it…If Cain was the second human born from Adam and Eve, Why was he so afraid that he would “be recognized and surely be killed”

    BY GOATS?! THE SERPENT?! No, of course not. So who was he afraid of “out there” outside the Garden of Eden?

    Your book is a rip off of the Jewish version which is a ripoff of the Sumerian version, etc etc forever and ever amen

  • pdderek

    no you didn’t. Your proofs are pointing at the Bible and shouting. I’m glad you like a book…But please don’t try to make us all believe your non-sense.

    Just because I like the Green Lantern comics doesn’t mean I get to point at it and demand that everyone start making me a Ring

  • pdderek

    I’d take PBS over the Bible any day

  • crash2parties

    God made it look that way to test the faithful.

    See? According to Justice Alito’s version of legal rock-paper-scissors “sincerely held opinion -oops, I mean religion” always wins!

  • crash2parties

    (puts away jewelry making tools)

    Phwew!

  • crash2parties

    Go look up the DSM criteria for “delusional thinking” and “antisocial personality disorder”. They’d be a perfect diagnosis for many conservative religous devotee’s…except that the APA threw in a single clause to specifically *exclude* religion that basically says, “unless everyone in your local subculture believes the same”.

  • StankyUS

    What a poor spoof aimed at hobby lobby. Hobby lobby does cover non-abortavasive birth control. They do not force anyone to do anything. The worse part of the parody is that in Islam all forms of birth control are forbidden, and I think one could argue that they most likely would not even hire a woman.

  • dh

    Planet of the Apes

  • Bill1893

    The right of A to force B to do something in accordance with A’s religious beliefs, and the right of A to not be required by the government to give something to B in violation of A’s religious beliefs are not only not analogous and logical non-sequiturs, the former example lacks state action, and the rights of A in the latter example are further protected by a remedial statute that A in the former example doesn’t have.

  • Bill1893

    Forcing an employee to wear a headscarf, to the extent it violates the employee’s rights, is much more akin to forcing a family-owned company to provide abortifacients in violation of the family owners’ rights than the snarky reverse the Dailycurrant is implying here. Logic and basic powers of deduction seem to be severely lacking in the leftist blogosphere.

  • DRWagner53

    I’d give that manager a hijab right in the kisser. He’d think twice about calling me a harlot again. Then, I’d leave a dead fish in the store where no one coudl see it, preferably in the ventilation system. Coupla days later — no more customers!

  • qcubed

    I would so support this, as an atheist, if it were true.

  • Aaron Caleb LeClair

    I don’t care why an owner chooses to pay their employees more. It doesn’t matter.

    1. They weren’t abortifacient.

    2. My health, as well as anyone elses is between me and a doctor, not the government, my employer, or just about anyone you can name that isn’t me and my doctor.

    3. Where exactly does this specialized coverage end? Can my Jehova Witness employer refuse to pay for my blood transfusions because that would violate their religious right? Or my Scientologist boss refuse my anti-depressants. This was so short sighted, adn blatantly sexist of a ruling.

    Business aren’t people, and they should have no religious rights. To say any other way is idiotic and ignorant.

  • KVCapitalist

    Clearly doesn’t understand the difference between “Positive Rights” and “Negative Rights”.

  • Joe Smith

    Force a Muslim, in a Catholic owned business, to wear a crucifix and see how that goes.

  • Tahrir (Tom) Kalasho

    We at LFTA have already chosen to Blacklist and place the leader of ISIS/ISIL Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi http://www.libertyfta.us/Abu%20Bakr%20al-Baghdadi/Abu-Bakr-al-Baghdadi.jpg has been placed on LFTA Blacklist page see link w/photos http://www.libertyfta.us/blacklist_iraq.htm same as other corrupt Iraqi Government officials, the Kurds they are all declared as terrorists.. Official Blacklist has also followed suit and done same http://www.official-blacklist.com/blacklist_4.htm

  • CMH01

    No, they are exactly the same thing. Just because you agree with a religious restriction being placed on an employee does not make it ok. If you can’t see that, then you are exactly the kind of person that this article is making fun of.

    If the owners of Hobby Lobby were Muslim and decided to go to court for the same exact contraception exemptions then you would have gone ballistic with fears of ‘creeping Sharia law’.

  • gary

    14 Veritas, there used to be a war on stupid in this country about a hundred years ago. Unfortunately, now we have all the entitlements keeping stupid people alive and thriving in this country. Then of course we have other stupid people who refuse to see whats right in their faces. Like this for example. a muslim march in NYC where they are brazenly flying the black flag of Jihad right in our face. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/24/were-black-flags-of-jihad-flying-over-nycs-muslim-day-parade/

    Then of course we actually have islamic terrorist camps within our country and our stupid politicians do nothing about them. http://allenwestrepublic.com/2014/02/21/allen-west-indeed-there-are-islamic-terrorist-training-camps-in-america/

    Speaking of stupid politicians, they dont seem to have much interest in national security either as they leave our borders wide open for islamic militants to enter our country. http://www.examiner.com/article/korans-islamic-prayer-rugs-found-at-texas-mexico-border Or perhaps they want us to be attacked again.

    Ive studied Islam for over a decade now, and they are pretty much all intent on becoming the world majority. Some do it through Jihad, others practice what we call stealth jihad. Stealth jihad is they do nothing wrong legally. They just move into your neighborhood, crank out 5-8 kids and out breed the other people of this country. Then they annoy everyone until the neighbors move out, and of course, more muslims move in. This is currently happening in the development next to where I live and I suspect it is only a matter of time until it happens in mine. once theyre the majority in a neighborhood or city, they have political power and thats when things start to look like…….well Dearborn Michigan is a good example aka “Dearbornistan”.

    I agree, we do need a war on stupid people because there are so many who prefer to keep their head in the sand and pretend muslims are no threat. The stupid people in this country cause the rest of us to suffer just as much as the muslims do.

  • Suman Chakraborty

    I think it WAS an issue with cleanliness in ‘arid’ ancient middle east, at least for males

  • anne olivier

    if this woman worked for the company for five years, how come the boss just decided to order them to wear scarfs…a little fishy to me..

  • Roy Blankenship

    HA. HA. HA. See? See what putting religion into our government does? Didn’t think ahead on this, did you Scalia?

  • Roy Blankenship

    You keep mentioning everyone else’s ignorance while you cling to your lame “proof”. When the sides of the hole start to collapse on top of you, stop digging. Take a breath and do some research into the links presented here. Your belief that the Bible is the consummate historical document is incredibly naive.

  • http://batman-news.com Tyrion

    I could quote from Dune or Star Wars and that would be at the same level of proof. It doesn’t make it so though. I’m not certain that there is any point in arguing religion. Faith doesn’t and shouldn’t require physical proof. If it feels right and gives you comfort and aligns with your morals it’s probably a fit though I think it’s a good idea to sometimes chill out with people who aren’t in your church, temple, mosque or wherever you have your religious meetings.

    Otherwise, If we were actually talking about the article unless this story is fake(the bit about the owner claiming he was going to cut the hands off of thieves ventured into “Onion” territory.), the Hobby Lobby vs. Burwell case is having consequences that Justice Bader predicted in that a number of religious owners are forcing their religious customs on their workers.

  • Mike

    The truly sad thing is that despite this being a spoof, it is all too believable.

  • Kiwimommy

    Well then you won’t mind paying for your own insulin, or heart and High Blood Pressure medicine, or that stomach stapling surgery. My closely and strongly held religious beliefs do not allow me to pay for such treatments to heathens who defile their own bodies with Gluttony and Sloth. Clearly in the Bible. In fact 90% of health care costs, diseases, conditions, issues are self-induced, a lifetime of bad habits. And frankly I am not paying for it. In fact not paying for pre-natal care, births, or covering new dependents as that is a perfectly preventable condition, even with abstinence as you so clearly pointed out before. I can’t wait to hear that you think I am being ridiculous because I am not, and I have already filed suit. Can’t wait to hear the SC telling me my beliefs are not as valid a Hobby Lobby!

  • Laurie

    If you are trying to say Jews, just come right out and say it. If you think Jews made that happen, you are out of your mind. It is time to give up the concept that less than 2% of the population controls everyone else. Just look out how medicalized all manner of practices are in the US. Americans like everything in life as far removed from the natural state of being as possible, so selling circumcision would be easy. You can just imagine the new American middle class in the suburbs in the 1950’s seeing parts of penises as dirty. Circumcision for Jewish boys happens completely differently than the circumcision that other baby boys undergo in the hospital.

  • Barbara Stefano

    I see your point, but consider this: Many devoutly religious people believe that once the sperm fertilizes the egg, a life is created. Disruption of that life cycle — via abortion, morning-after pills or another method — is therefore considered a sin.

    By contrast, blood pressure meds, stomach stapling, prenatal care, etc., don’t end lives, rather, they improve and extend lives. (Though people can achieve some of this by taking better care of themselves.) And, in the case of gastric bypass, it would actually assist a glutton in his efforts to no longer be glutton. I’m not a religious person myself, but that’s my best guess as to why they don’t object.

    Best of luck on your lawsuit. Your beliefs are as valid as anyone’s. It will be up to the courts to decide if your own constitutional rights have been violated and rule accordingly.

  • Barbara Stefano

    The only thing up for debate is who pays for it. This ruling doesn’t prevent women from getting any of these meds they want, it just means HL doesn’t have to pay for those particular drugs. Now, if HL had sued to prevent their employees from accessing those meds on their own, I’d be rioting right along with you, but that’s not the case.

  • Andie Pauly

    Asinine. I guess liberals think this is cute. They have difficulty comprehending the decision, I see.

  • Andie Pauly

    Your bigotry is duly noted, leftwit.

  • Andie Pauly

    NO ONE “put religion into government”, lefwit.

  • Seth Delconte

    This is supposed to be satire, but it’s actually unintentionally almost dead-on. Employers (before the CRA of 1964) DID have the right to impose almost anything they wanted on their employers (except for outright violence like cutting hands off) as part of the agreement between employee and employer (“you agree to abide by these rules, and I’ll pay you this”) – and after all, why not? No one’s forcing anyone to work anywhere, especially not in this day and age. It’s completely constitutional for an employer to force their employees to abide by certain rules, religious or not. The First Amendment’s Free Exercise Clause protects our religious freedoms ONLY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, not from individuals or businesses, or even state governments.
    This article also displays a fundamental misunderstanding of the real issue behind the Hobby Lobby ruling – an unconstitutional law called ObamaCare.

  • Roy Blankenship

    What do you call it when the Supreme Court of the land sanctions decisions based on an individual religion? Or were you absent that day from government class?

  • legalhound

    It is time to repeal every last word of that stupid Religious Freedom Restoration Act! No business whatsoever should be forcing their mythologies on anyone no matter how true they believe the myth to be it is still a myth and belongs at home or in church….never should it hit the street to see the light of day. The public square should be totally and completely secular because otherwise it just encourages the loudest and most draconian to bully everyone else. No business should have religious rights because a business is an artificial entity…if they weren’t artificial they wouldn’t require a DBA filing!

  • Steven Schwartz

    “No one’s forcing anyone to work anywhere, ”

    I am guessing, though I am not sure of this, that you haven’t gone through periods of prolonged unemployment.

    After the drastic reduction in unemployment assistance programs over the last several decades, “work or starve” has become reality — and do we really wish to place more power in employer’s hands, especially for things that should not be relevant to their employment?

    “It’s completely constitutional for an employer to force their employees to abide by certain rules, religious or not.”

    That depends on the nature of the rules. Certain rules, for example, are considered *not* constitutional. “You can’t serve black people at that counter — they have to sit over there.”

    “The First Amendment’s Free Exercise Clause protects our religious freedoms ONLY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, not from individuals or businesses, or even state governments.”

    Actually, 14th Amendment jurisprudence has brought it to the states, and Supreme Court jurisprudence has established limits on religious freedoms, for individuals and businesses.

  • garybkatz

    Can they still copy their butts on the copy machine?

  • Roy Blankenship

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!~ The old “personal attack” when you are losing the debate. You were never even in this conversation, Barbara, he was making you look like the fool you are from his first post.

  • Guest

    Are you for real? Do you know what the Daily Currant is? And you can’t spell “Barbara” even though she posted a hundred times? Wow.

  • MostlyPerfect

    Troll harder man. I’m sure you’ll piss someone off eventually. Don’t give up. I believe in you!

  • clearthinker

    I don’t see this as a religious issue at all. The company has a uniform code. Just like working for UPS or USPS or New York Yankees. Here’s the uniform. Wear it or you can’t work here. It’s pretty simple. Wearing a uniform does not violate someone’s rights.

  • Barbara Stefano

    Ah, on the wrong side of the Constitution AND delusional — Libs are so charming.

  • splashy79

    Life does not BEGIN at conception, it continues. The egg and sperm are just as alive as the fertilized egg is.

    Not only that, about half of the fertilized eggs never implant, so that’s a lot of “life” wasted.

  • splashy79

    They changed that later on, which appears to have been missed by those that think this is a good thing.

  • splashy79

    The best solution: get bosses completely OUT of providing health insurance, and get everyone on the exchanges. Cut these bossy bosses out of our healthcare completely, they have no business poking their noses into our personal business.

  • MI Mitten

    “…egg and sperm are just as alive as the fertilized egg is.”
    The egg and sperm join to create a new cell (zygote) which if nutured has everything necessary to create a unique human being, egg or sperm alone don’t have this ability.

    “..about half…” through nature then, not a drug/procedure forcing it.

    Which is why HHS gave the carve-out for religious organizations.

  • MI Mitten

    Does HHS?

    “… I believe this proposal strikes the appropriate balance between respecting religious freedom and increasing access to important preventive services.”

  • Seth Delconte

    True, I haven’t experienced not having a choice of employment. Does the fact that some have, justify Federal Government intervention? I believe we SHOULD place more power in an employer’s hands than in government’s.

    As unethical as it is, it is an exercise of the freedom of association to not serve someone because of the color of their skin. Instead of forcing businesses to do so, the government should not have passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 – which trampled on private property rights – and should have left it up to the free market to decide.

    Only Supreme Court justice’s interpretation of the 14 Amendment as an ‘Incorporation Doctrine’ has forced the Bill of Rights on the States. It was never designed to be that way originally, and in my opinion, the 14th Amendment was never intended to be interpreted that way. http://bellfoundry.wordpress.com/2013/12/27/the-incorporation-doctrine-does-the-14th-amendment-expand-the-bill-of-rights-to-apply-to-the-states/

    The bottom line is: good ideas do not necessarily demand that they be enforced by government.

  • Steven Schwartz

    “True, I haven’t experienced not having a choice of employment.”

    I thought not, from the displayed lack of empathy.

    ” I believe we SHOULD place more power in an employer’s hands than in government’s.”

    I find it interesting that you see such a clear division between the two, especially since the Government is a major employer.

    “As unethical as it is, it is an exercise of the freedom of association to not serve someone because of the color of their skin.”

    No freedom is absolute; this has been established over and over again.

    “Instead of forcing businesses to do so, the government should not have passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 – which trampled on private property rights – and should have left it up to the free market to decide.”

    See previous remarks regarding empathy. The “free market” does not care about individual rights. The “free market” does not care about individuals, except as they have value in terms of their labor or their wealth.

    Part of the government’s role is the protection of the weak — whether that weakness is economic disadvantage, the disadvantage of being a discrimianted-against group, etc. The market has shown a terrible ability to do this, as extra-market forces come very easily into play.

    “Only Supreme Court justice’s interpretation of the 14 Amendment as an ‘Incorporation Doctrine’ has forced the Bill of Rights on the States”

    When it comes to the constitutionality of issues, Supreme Court opinions are, I’m afraid, controlling. There are many cases (like the doctrine of corporate personhood) where I disagree with them, but saying “The people who wrote it didn’t mean that, so it’s not true…” is simply incorrect. It is well-established that it’s the Supreme Court’s job to make that decision, and that’s how they’ve decided.

    “The bottom line is: good ideas do not necessarily demand that they be enforced by government.”

    This is very true. But when they are actively *opposed* by many people, to the detriment of many, the government has ample reason to step in.

  • Seth Delconte

    It sounds like you either a) have a deep misunderstanding of the original purpose of the U.S. Government, or b) don’t care. I believe the original intents and purposes of the Federal Government can and should be restored, while you have more of a “Government must solve our problems” mentality. It’s unconstitutional for our government to “care for the weak” in any way that I can imagine, outside of military protection.
    You have a fatalistic view of Supreme Court decisions. Just because a majority of 9 individuals decide how they think a law should be interpreted does not mean their decision is constitutional.
    You also seem to sympathize with an ideal of mob rule. Because many voices cry for government intervention does not constitute a valid reason for legislation or government ‘stepping in’. We live in a republic, not a democracy.

  • Steven Schwartz

    “It sounds like you either a) have a deep misunderstanding of the original purpose of the U.S. Government, or b) don’t care.”

    I believe that governments can evolve and change, and should do so to fit the changing times in which they operate.

    “I believe the original intents and purposes of the Federal Government can and should be restored, while you have more of a “Government must solve our problems” mentality.”

    I believe that government should work as a servant and help to the population, and be responsive to its desires, within the limits set out for it. Where the original purposes and efforts of the government suit that end, then restore them — where they do not, they were changed for a reason.

    “It’s unconstitutional for our government to “care for the weak” in any way that I can imagine, outside of military protection.”

    Demonstrate to me, please, where it is unconstitutional, as opposed to extra-constitutional, for them to do so; I see nowhere that indicates they are prohibited from doing so.

    (As an example, the government is assigned police powers, which is protecting people from violence; this is one form of such.)

    “You have a fatalistic view of Supreme Court decisions.”

    Actually, I have a pragmatic one. One can change them; but as they stand now, they are the law of the land.

    “Just because a majority of 9 individuals decide how they think a law should be interpreted does not mean their decision is constitutional.”

    When they are the Supreme Court, actually, it does — unless you wish to dismantle the entire concept of judicial review, in which case I question whether your devotion to founders’ intent is real, or simply convenient for the policies you wish to enact.

    “You also seem to sympathize with an ideal of mob rule. Because many voices cry for government intervention does not constitute a valid reason for legislation or government ‘stepping in’

    Then what does constitute such a reason? You seem to feel that protection of property rights is — so is property more important than people?

    There is a distinction between “mob rule” and a government responsible for and responsive to the people.

  • blewvelvet

    EXACTLY!!! We need one universal health system..to bring the fuckin costs down to nothing..and UNIONIZE it!!!! Fuckin A!

  • blewvelvet

    Uh…..then where is the scarf for the MAN to wear…ASSHOLE..of course it’s religious AND SEXISTS!!! it’s the WORST POSSIBLE OUTCOME!!!! What if you are fuckin ATHEIST!!!! Fuckin A!!!

  • clearthinker

    Classy. Tee hee.

  • http://vegastearoom.blogspot.com/ chandler_in_lasvegas

    Religion belongs in the home not the workplace.

  • http://decentfilms.com/ SDG

    “If Hobby Lobby can impose its religious beliefs on its employees, why can’t we?”

    False analogy. Hobby Lobby does not make female employees remove their IUDs before coming to work. They simply decline to pay for them.

  • Rev Donald Spitz

    You may mock the Holy Bible, but one day you will stand before the Lord Jesus Christ to give an account of your life and every word you have spoken.

  • Kit

    The Hobby Lobby case has literally nothing to do with this. They refused to pay for birth control. They do NOT force women to refrain from choosing what they are doing, the company simply refuses to pay for something. The story here would likely fall more under the company’s uniform policy/dress code. I don’t see here where they are demanding the women change religious beliefs. They have stated they wish for them to wear what equates to a uniform. The women have the option to leave the employment and are not forced to work there. Ultimately they have a choice and it just happens to be an undesirable one.

  • Darin Clements

    I call bullshit.

  • Shawn Schaitel

    we have real scientific evidence from archeology not the stories of some illiterate peasants that we passed around orally for over a thousand years before being written down

  • Shawn Schaitel

    yes it does

  • That Guy Who Said That Thing

    My company is super-Christian. They forced us to be crucified. Anybody that couldn’t rise from the dead after three days was fired. SUCKS.

  • enkelin

    LOL this is a satire website you fools

  • enkelin

    It is satire you morons

  • enkelin

    It is satire, goofball.

  • enkelin

    Your health insurance is part of your compensation, just like your wages, It is not a gift from your employer. You earn it, just like your wages and your employer gets a tax deduction for including it in your benefits package.

  • anne olivier

    I am 82 years old…sorry if I don’t keep up with all the satirical sites…you don’t have to resort to silly names…

  • clearthinker

    Yeah, I know. However, were it true, my answer would apply.

  • kssturgis62

    This news site is SATIRE.

    The Daily Currant is an American satirical news blog that focuses on politics, technology, and entertainment. A number of its satirical stories have been taken for true news reports by press.

    The Daily Currant is a competitor to The Onion. According to Quantcast, the site garners over 1.5 million page views a month

  • Tony Echavarry

    F**k these Muslims, I’m so sick of them & their religious Bullshit !

  • ThomasER916

    Jews run this site, which is why no one makes fun of them.

  • Jordi

    Are you seroius?
    I mean ,the “news” of an obvious satire website has been taken for true by the press?
    Did that really happened?
    (sorry for my bad english)

  • kssturgis62

    HAHAHAHAHAHA not just the Press, but by regular people too !! LOL LOL

    Look I just see so many people getting angry. I have fallen for it before also. But it is satire, and maybe some need to take their anger out. This is coming, but I just think Illegal Muslims, Open Border, Illegals, Incumbents being voted back in, Liars, Thieves, Obama, that is where we need to concentrate our anger. Oh yeah and on those that are trying to destroy the nation like the muslims in my home state of michigan are.

  • DASKAT

    Too funny, religious debate on a site such as this. About as natural as an oral bowel movement.

  • GoodbyeUSA

    You just made a logical leap from “predate” to “evolved.” This is how liberal “science” works.

  • GoodbyeUSA

    Energy that can be better spent whipping me up a latte, you left wing barrista POS. Hop to it.

  • GoodbyeUSA

    Or just get your info from Comedy Central like the rest of your cohort.

  • GoodbyeUSA

    Big Bang Theory = Nothing caused nothing to explode and become everything–time, light, space, matter–in a matter of two to three seconds, and all for no reason. Just Random. Also, the universe expanded to near its present size in three seconds, but radiation from andromeda, which is very close, took 2.3 million years to get here. (“I effing love science!”)

  • pdderek

    Poor lonely troll. Do you use your guns to jerk off or jerk off to guns?

  • pdderek

    Your theory = Nothing created a God who created Everything so Everything could claw at one another’s throats until God destroys everything again. But not with a flood! Never again with a flood because He’s loving.

    I effing love religion!

  • pdderek

    oh please do! I love Dune quotes!

  • Semweni

    Kosher pickles are just better.

  • MostlyPerfect

    So, stoned any homosexuals lately?

  • KatM

    Point being…? Not all gays agree with everything, not all feminists agree with everything. You’re implying that simply because you identify with something that you must agree to everything a group stands for. Are you twelve? You’re the type of person who wants everyone to be accepted, yet insists on bullying someone because they believe in something different that you. Grow up.

  • Stinky

    We need congress to declare Islam a hate group and take away their religious rights. They are not our friends. I am sick of our government pandering to this filth.

  • MostlyPerfect

    Bigotry? LOL! Oh that’s awesome. The party that fought, bitterly, against minority and female right and are currently throwing a hissy fit over gays getting married is calling ME a bigot. Here, let me quote your own book. Because this is one of the many parts that ya’ll skip over because it doesn’t make you feel good or self righteous.

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29New International Version (NIV)

    28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

    Now I may be a bigot. But I’m pretty sure I don’t look to a book that commands the selling of rape victims for my moral guidance.

    Have a nice day. :)

  • MostlyPerfect

    This coming from a conservative. You DO know your side fought, bitterly, against every social movement in history right? From letting minorities and women vote all the way to today trying to keep gays from getting married.